Through having lived in both worlds, John has the most freedom of thought. He has entered the "brave new world" without conditioning. He has not received the brainwashing all the other characters are fighting against internally. This allows him more perspective and more freedom to think. He also is free from the bond of soma and work.
In the novel, being free is defined differently to different characters. Most characters are not aware of true freedom and believe themselves to be free. Others are more enlightened and freedom is only in their oppositional thoughts, but cannot attain freedom because of societal constraints. The lower castes must be aware of their servitude, but are happy because they were conditioned to be happy.
I agree that John is free because he is was not conditioned, but I think that although he was free in high thoughts, he was confined socially. He did not fit in at the Reservation or in London, so he was not able to do certain things that he wanted to. Also, John felt so restrained that he killed himself at the end of the novel because he saw no other way out.
I see where you are coming from. From a social standpoint he was most definitely not liberated, but I still do think he was the most liberated in perspective.
Luke I agree with you. The fact that John is "free from the bond of soma and work" shows that he is a liberated character.
I will have to agree with this. When the world has been conditioned to think certain ways, it's refreshing to see people with none and can think anyway they want.
Helmholtz Watson became the most liberated character. In the beginning of the novel, he knew there was something more out there, but he didn't know what it was or how to find it. When he met John, Helmholtz discovered different ways of living and thinking. John read Shakespeare to Helmholtz; Helmholtz adored it and discovered that he wanted to write like Shakespeare. At the end of the novel, Helmholtz got exiled, and he was able to chose an island with a difficult climate so he would be inspired to write. Helmholtz became liberated throughout the novel because he learned what he wanted to do in life, and got the opportunity to do it the way he wanted- without the World State interfering.
Characters in this novel are free when they are able to think for themselves. John is able to think for himself before he goes to London, and once he gets there he feels like he is trapped. Also, Helmholtz feels free when he is able to choose his island and write how he wanted.
Over the course of the novel, Helmholtz definitely became more liberated. Being an engineer of conditioning, he was able to understand and overcome his own. Although the end of the novel is not decisive, it does portray a much more liberated future for Helmholtz and John.
Yes, both Helmholtz and John are liberated throughout the novel, but in different ways. John was never conditioned like the citizens of the World State, and Helmholtz was able to overcome conditioning because of his circumstances.
John is for sure a character that is most liberated. He unlike everyone else is free in what he wants to think and do. He is also uninfluenced by the works of soma. That alone keeps him at a higher and more alert level than everyone else.
To be free in this novel would mean to be like John. He has lived in both worlds and is not under the influence of soma. This is what it would mean to be free. To not be "brainwashed" by soma and the effects of the World States way of life.
I know what you mean when you say that John is free in what he wants to think and do! In addition to the soma, he is also not affected by Mond's society!
I completely understand what you're trying to say, but I don't believe that they were "brainwashed" by soma. They were more or less addicted to it. They were brainwashed by the conditioning in early life.
Interesting point, but in general the age factor was not something that I was considering when I said "brainwashed". Even in later life they were being brainwashed, because if anyone would all of a sudden feel emotion and express it in the public, they were made fun of, and discouraged in general by the majority, therefore brainwashing them to think that expressions are something that one should not have. John was not brainwashed because he experienced the freedom of expression and experienced Mond's world too.
I think John is probably the most free. While it is fairly hard to be free in the world he found a way to do it by not being influenced by Soma and thinks what he wants to think rather than what hey want him to think.
Being free in a world so restricted and controlled the way that world is would be really hard to do. When people are controlled to think a certain way before they even have been born it is hard to be free. To be free in a world like that is to think in other ways from what Soma wants the person to think.
John is for sure the most free. It is all because he is not influenced by soma. If others were to stop using soma then they to may be as free as John.
I would've most have most likely said that the one that was most free was John, but John was never conditioned so he was always free. The most liberated character had to be Bernard Marx, because he was able to overcome his conditioning and live through his own ideals. To be free in this novel would be to live life through the old days. One with art, religion, family, emotion, sickness, old age, war, and choice.
Drew! You made it hard for me to write my own response because I agree with everything you said. John was free, he was born free. Bernard Marx was not born free. He had to work to condition himself to create his own ideas, and not follow what he was always told to do.
Well Brittany maybe you shouldn't have waited so long!
To be free in this novel means to have developed one's own ideas, by overcoming the conditioning. To be free would be to develp emotions that reflect their own opinions. Many people said John was the most free, and technically he was free. But Bernard Marx is considered the most free. He was able to be condition, but still spring away from the ideas he was suppose to follow. He was able to create ideas, emotions, opinions, and feelings for things in the novel.
You are killing me Brit. I should have blogged this morning, because you took my words away an ran with it! Almost everyone in the book couldn't think for themselves. Yet, for some reason, Beenard could. No one understood that and that's what made him feel insecure too. He didn't understand why they thought differently from him. His ideas led him to more freedom. To him it didn't seem like it though.
I know Drew has a similar idea as us. Like you said everyone was brainwashed, and didn't think for themselves. It is just weird to think people we're insure because they had an idea.
I feel as though John is the most free. He has been in the "civilized" and "uncivilized" world. He has strong beliefs on certain things, but his experiences cause him to be open to new ideas. Being free can also be defined through John's experiences. Being free, from the book is defined as "being able to be your own individual". The people living in the world controlled by Mond are not free, and even Mond knows that. The clones/"people" are just robots conditioned and programmed to do only a few amount of things. John is free because he has the ability to have feelings of his own, and have thoughts of his own too, that aren't programmed into him.
I agree with you, John wasn't brainwashed like most all the other characters in the book. He had feelings and thoughts, and things that everyone else didn't have.
Ah hah! Not being brainwashed was the quote that I had in mind but I couldnt think of it! Its really interesting because someone could argue on what the definition of being brainwashed means too!
I believe John is the most free if anyone is because he got to grow up in an " uncivilized" society, so he was able to have beliefs and his own thoughts on things unlike everyone else in the "civilized" society. To be free means to be your own person, and not let anyone dictate that, and John didn't let anyone dictate him. He didn't want to be like everyone else in that society, and controlled by someone else. So, because of that he killed himself. He wanted to be free from all of it. He couldn't take "civilized" society anymore.
I completely agree Mackenzie, and I like how you added the part about the society he grew up in. I didn't think of that, but it definitely makes sense as to why he thinks the way he does
I believe that Bernard was by far the most free. He had the chance to experience both the assembled, "ideal" world, and to develop his own ideas. Being free in this story was simply having the ability to think for yourself and make your own choices.
We're on the same page. I thought it was amazing how everyone was the same, yet, there was a fire in Bernard. It didn't exactly surprise me, because Huxley never mentioned other characters being different. When it came to Bernard, he had a weird body. Later, he ends up having his own opinions.
John this, John that, John everything. Yes, John was free, however, he always had it. John got to live the best of both world, but he didn't have to fight for it. Bernard Marx was created and raised in this society. In a place where people make you think what they want you to. Bernard's brain was limited and he couldn't help it. Thats why no one could think for themselves. The outside world was never really brought to ther attention. Bernard somehow was able to see flaws in the system. He thought the way wry thing ran was immoral. It's amazing that he could do this when it never occurred to anyone else. Bernard being the outcast of this world helped him see this. If it wasn't for his small body, I don't think he would have gotten his freedom. Deep down he's fighting for himself. In the book, freedom was never seen by the characters. Why should a happy society have to have freedom. That would not only bring problems, but imply that some aren't happy and there's inequality. Freedom would mean that they're able to have their own mind. The can question society and try to pave way for something better. Bernard had a voice and questioned what he thought was wrong. To be free means to accept our unique qualities and chose the path destiny takes us in life. An open mind would be included a well.
I completely agree! John was brought up in a way where he got to develop a mind of his own. Yes that is a from of freedom, but true freedom is when it is fought for like Bernard had to do.
Exactly. Bernard didn't have the privilege like John did. He was going against everyone and was fine with that.I think he had a different sentimental Claus about it too, because he had to fight for it.
The character who is most liberated in this novel is definitely John. He is the only one who sees what's wrong with the World State and isn't afraid to say it. He stands by what he believes as well, so much so that he kills himself. But I believe what it means to be free in this novel is to see the World State for what it is, and to want the truth not just the so called "happiness" the World State provides. John sees that the happiness is actually just all lies and so I believe he fits the description of being free in this novel perfectly
I could not agree with you more. It sucks for him because he is one of the few to see the world for what it truly is. As a result he is socially isolated by society.
To me the answer to this question is clear. The most liberated or free character in this novel had to be John. No one else even had the option of freedom due to the results of the conditioning. John was able to shape his own beliefs and he stuck to them.
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